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Connecticut Shooting
author=chana
I can't find the right statistics, but how many wife/husbands are killed by their partner by gun, members of a family by other members? This has nothing to do with self defense, and if the gun wasn't there, sure there would, alas, still be murders of this kind (there is all over the world), but are there more or less in the usa due to the easy access to guns? This seems a necessary question before deciding if gun ownership is a good or bad thing.
Edit : it would seem that the majority of homicide by gun would actually be... siucides.
How many of those homicides and suicides do you think were determined by whether or not a gun was available?
Connecticut Shooting
author=Lucidstillness
In short, guns are dangerous and should be treated as such.
Show me someone who thinks guns aren't dangerous and should be treated frivolously.
Every gun owner I've ever met (lots, I grew up in the midwest) treats them with almost overzealous care. Never point it at a living thing, loaded or unloaded. Never put live ammo in unless you have a secure, regimented activity planned involving shooting stuff. Never let a stranger try it out. Etc.
There are risks to owning cars. Someone could steal it and kill people with it. You could kill people or yourself with it. Thousands upon thousands of people die every year from car-related injuries. More than the people who die from guns.
And yes, cars are for gettin' around, but guns aren't "for murder" as someone said.
Connecticut Shooting
author=Solitayreauthor=harmonicPerhaps the solution is to focus on mental health issues in order to identify these individuals before they cause harm?
My point is that you yourself said that these people are "incurable." Assuming killers are indeed born that way, they'll find a way to kill. One way or another. Legal or illegal. Guns or no guns. Is there something confusing about that?
You think you're arguing against me (probably because I'm me and you're so used to disagreeing with me) but you're actually arguing with me. Go back and read Sail's convo with me. He said they're "incurable." I'm saying that cultural and societal factors are to blame, not guns.
Regarding your longer post, yes, most people agree with you that regulation is fine. However, it is a band-aid, not a cure. Adam Lanza did not legally own a gun, he had to steal one. Again proving that all it takes is a willing killer.
Connecticut Shooting
author=Sailerius
You can build a hydrogen bomb at home, too. Are you saying we should make owning them legal because anyone can do it?
No one has ever missed a point as much as you just did.
(Also, I doubt anyone can build a hydrogen bomb.)
My point is that you yourself said that these people are "incurable." Assuming killers are indeed born that way, they'll find a way to kill. One way or another. Legal or illegal. Guns or no guns. Is there something confusing about that?
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Connecticut Shooting
author=Sailerius
The problem with guns is that they're easy to use and easy to cause a lot of devastation in a small amount of time. Also, I'm not sure what your point is? Bombs are already illegal. Unless you're suggesting we should also make all the components used to make a gun illegal.
Aha, thank you for this. You just ironclad proved my point.
So you're saying outlawing bomb components (simple things you can get from walmart) is absurd and impractical? I agree. Yet, how easy it would be to google a bomb recipe, spend 100$, and build a bomb. No license or background check required. No stealing from someone who does have a license. Easier to kill lots of people with one bomb blast that takes out 20 kids and yourself instantly, rather than having to aim a gun, make lots of noise, and inevitably get caught.
Connecticut Shooting
author=Sailerius
Except that would do nothing to stop or deter clinical sociopaths or psychopaths. Anyone who thinks that a legitimate, clinical psychopath can just be helped by love and support and counseling has never met one before. It sounds crude to say this, and unfortunately, it's not their fault, but the simple fact of the matter is that they are a threat to society which is incurable by modern medicine and psychology. Psychopaths with violent tendencies will cause harm. The only way you can prevent it is to minimize the damage by preventing them access to firearms.
I would argue that that is not a "fact." Do you think Adam Lanza was born that way? And if they are indeed an "incurable threat to society", don't you think they'll find a way to kill people if guns are not available? Remember the deadly bomb made out of a U-haul truck full of fertilizer?
Connecticut Shooting
author=Sailerius
There you have it. As long as there are guns, people who will use them for ill will be able to get a hold of them. Which is easier, getting rid of guns or changing human nature?
You asked this question to be a hypothetical, thinking there's no reason for anyone to argue against you. Well, sorry to burst your bubble.
You may be able to get rid of all guns when pigs fly out of my ass. Then you can get rid of knives, bombs, hammers, cars, fertilizer, martial arts training, etc when even more pigs fly out of my ass. (Point being, you can't get rid of weapons. We've been using weapons since we carved spears from rock.)
However, you can recognize that perhaps there is a problem with public schools, or a problem with culture. The feeling that no one is out there looking out for you, the feeling that you don't belong. A very young person who has no support system and is shunned by society may feel there is absolutely no risk, nothing to lose, no remorse to be felt about shooting up a school.
My own experience with public schools? Teachers are too busy covering their own ass than to worry whether or not some kid feels neglected. This is partially the fault of overly entitled parents, uptight bureaucratic administrators, or just teacher laziness. You are not rewarded, but rather, punished (seen as a renegade) for wanting to go the extra mile with students who may need help. This is not the case in every school, but all it takes is one kid to slip through the cracks, as we've seen.
Connecticut Shooting
author=Saileriusauthor=KingArthurI agree. While we're at it, why mentally deranged people are allowed to own guns in the first place?author=SaileriusI would argue that the topic should then be focused on why a deranged person like that got to be a principal or teacher and why he got deranged to begin with.author=Dyhalto...until one day, a principal or teacher goes around and shoots up a school...
The nature of discussion in this topic would be 180 degrees if the principal, or another teacher, had been carrying a gun and took the guy out.
He wasn't allowed. His mother was. He stole the gun from her.
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author=deboo
Guns are made to kill people and that is their sole purpose. The constitution needs to be amended. I'm not sorry for saying that it is shocking this is still a debate. How many shootings will there be before America realises it's NOT 'every man's right to bear arms'?
It's in the constitution as a final power check against the government. It was not written with a technology limit or a time limit in mind. (As in, muskets are fine, but once you get to the 21st century, take this liberty away) Our founders knew that no government can be given unchecked power and be expected to behave without corruption. Clamping down on this right takes power away from the people. When our country beat yours in the Revolutionary War, we vowed not to follow Europe down its path of folly. That's one reason why there are so many unique things about America, and I grow weary of various cultural factors (mainly European and Canadian influences) looking down their noses at the most prominent defender of the West, the free world, and Democracy, on all domestic matters.
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