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Race and Gender in Games
author=kentonaI don't know why you posted those links, I did never disagree with the fact that overreactions exist. However, you snippet of wisdom is like telling people that one should be rational, very few will disagree with that message, but nevertheless, few will go "right, I need to be more rational" upon hearing it. The same goes to your message, most will agree with it, the hard part is actually reaching out to people. Unfortunately, you can't even reach yourself with your own message of awareness over sensitivity, so how can you expect to reach others? I'm not telling you that what you're saying is wrong, I'm telling you that you are delivering your message in a way that has zero chance of reaching others and that the first step to change that should be to reach yourself.
This is what I was reading yesterday:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/13/mute-button
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rise-of-the-college-crybullies-1447458587
https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-leap-manifesto-and-where-the-ndp-will-land/
http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2014/11/everything-problematic/
https://rebeccarc.com/2013/04/15/intersectionality-and-identity-politics/
http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/03/20/wrongly-accused-of-being-pedophile-on-facebook-bc-man-faces-online-witch-hunt
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/fired-nintendo-worker-alison-rapp-7737634
https://www.thenation.com/article/problem-public-shaming/
and just a collection of quotes from other articles I recently-ish read (no particular order or logical grouping):
What I am seeing is a lot of overreaction, assumptions, opinions being elevated to sacred belief, stronger in-group love/out-group hate dynamics, the demonization of white males, an idealistic shift in the federal NDP, and the dangers of virtual pillory.
I do disagree with mob-shaming. For whatever it's used for.
Again, I never promoted mob shaming. When I posted "If you disagree that's fine" that was right after I strongly suggested that you may be a hypocrite. How did you interpret what's basically "it's okay if you disagree with the idea that you're being hypocritical" as meaning "mob shaming is acceptable"? Those two aren't even remotely similar.
Race and Gender in Games
author=kentona
and I was extrapolating from that. Since we are assuming that people are thinking themselves as being socially aware when in fact they are being insensitive, we should proactively identify their abhorrent behaviour and publicly shame them for their transgressions! It's only logical. People cannot be trusted to make the right choices.
or we can stop assuming the worst about people.
As a rule of thumb, do not extrapolate from posts made by someone who seems to have a very different opinion than you. Our ability to extrapolate works very poorly with people who think differently and thus more often than not results into strawmen.
author=kentona
but we are seeing the effects of self-censorship playing out right now - I wont be including any overtly gay, transgendered or otherkin characters in my games lest I inadvertantly incur the wrath of the masses.
As far as I'm concerned, you are the one being overly sensitive here and making a mountain out of a molehill. You are perceiving a vastly exaggerated threat. Likewise, looking at other posts you made recently here, I'm detecting zero research, consideration or though from them. So, in my view you are doing what you want people to do less of while also not doing what you want people to do more of.
If you disagree that's fine, but have you ever stopped and questioned if maybe you yourself are disobeying your own appeal to a more thinking approach? To me it looks like you haven't. Now, if the very person who makes an appeal fails to follow it, then it makes sense to expect that the appeal won't have much effect on other people either. I don't think that's assuming the worst.
Back when I quoted you for the first time, you hadn't made a slew of other posts that I could use to determine where you yourself stood on the whole issue. Therefore I prodded at it a bit to hopefully find out. I tried to draw attention to the question of who your post applies to in particular since that is the major factor of how to interpret your post.
Race and Gender in Games
author=kentona
..therefore we should mob-shame everyone into self-censorship?
I'm 100% sure none of my posts said, or even implied, that. I spoke of what will happen, not of what I think should happen.
What Videogames Are You Playing Right Now?
I took a break from Child of Light and played Good Robot. It's a mindless fun roguelike shooter. Despite the roguelike part, it's not very hard, I beat it on the fourth try. I did use an overpowered weapon that has since then been nerfed, but I don't think the game is that much harder now.
I resumed Child of Light after beating Good Robot. I'm at the final dungeon and have one step sister and one step mother left to slay.
I resumed Child of Light after beating Good Robot. I'm at the final dungeon and have one step sister and one step mother left to slay.
Race and Gender in Games
author=kentona
"I maintain that cultural sensitivity should be replaced by cultural awareness. Awareness implies research, consideration, thought, and judiciousness....
This I think most would agree with. However, now comes the question of who it applies to. Ideally, I would apply to everyone, but in reality it's going to be "the other ones" because nobody admits to being oversensitive. If everyone thinks it applies to other people, then nobody will heed that quote.
Race and Gender in Games
author=SnowOwl
I think we have reached a point where critics have too much power to scare away people from trying to do new stuff, or including "taboo" subjects. It's like treading on hot coals to include a person that does not conform to the normal formula, or to have opinions that alot of people don't like in your game. Call me old fashioned, but I think social media in its current form is... not the best.
Yes, for example, including a homosexual can get you into a shit-storm for pandering to the "SJW". I don't think that was what you meant though.
Race and Gender in Games
author=kentona
Society: Make the game you want
Society: No. Not like that.
If we assume that you're fully free to make the game you want, then presumable you're also free to give it the feedback you want. Of course, unrestricted feedback means the author her-/himself won't feel very unrestricted. Any variant of do what you want leads to contradictions because some will use that freedom to impede on other people's freedom.
In truth, "make the game you want" just like "choose the job you want" and any other "do the X that you want" has always had the restriction of "but within reason". Of course, everyone has their own opinion of what falls within reason.
Baldur's Gate Siege of Dragonspear Controversy
Here's what I got:
1) There is an actual problem with the writing and the implementation of certain subjects.
2) A lot of people citing 1) would not have been happier had the writing been better, they are when it comes down to it, just bigots.
3) Other people cite 2) to ward of criticism and pretend that 1) isn't a thing.
1) There is an actual problem with the writing and the implementation of certain subjects.
2) A lot of people citing 1) would not have been happier had the writing been better, they are when it comes down to it, just bigots.
3) Other people cite 2) to ward of criticism and pretend that 1) isn't a thing.
"On Let's Plays" - Dev expresses plight over how LP's have impacted his game's sales
author=kentona
also I am dumb because I don't watch LPs (except for my own games). I think they are boring. But generally, if I have to choose between WATCHING something (anything - TV shows, movies, LPs, etc) and PLAYING something (anything - SNES, PC game, boardgames, pool, hockey, etc) I am going to choose PLAYING.
Playing wins every time.
If just people who are into sports instead of video games thought the same. More healthy people and less overpaid sport stars.
Discrimination within the narrative
author=harmonic
I wouldn't describe it as full blown backlash, but there have been quite a few reviews of the game that complain about it being a "racist" game despite the fact that every race in the game is fictional. I obviously find this attitude hilarious, considering the existence of dragons, alternate dimensions, actual deities, but somehow racism can't exist in an imaginary world.
You see Sarkeesian-like backlash against racist elements in games all the time, but more attacking the supposed racism of the developers, rather than the characters in the game.
Anyone who has a problem with discrimination from imaginary characters toward other imaginary characters needs to seriously get a life.
I take this as a no, meaning the backlash was not large enough that the writers have to worry.













