How Does "Counter" Work? Topic

You're magical to me.

12540

01/08/2016 11:38 PM

I'm curious about exactly what Counter does in VX Ace, mechanically speaking. Does it take the actor's ATK into consideration, does it just bounce the damage back to the enemy, or does it work in some other way?

Thanks, it's been bugging me ^^;;

Marrend

Guardian of the Description Thread

21806

01/09/2016 12:00 AM

I vaugely recall giving Nanami (Konae's Investigations) a CNT rate with her Taunt ability for a while, but, I completely forget what the numbers looked like! Sorry!

My guess about how CNT works is that, if you succeed in counter-attacking, you get a regular attack (ie: whatever Skill #1's damage formula is defined as).

*Edit: I've played around with this a bit, and my guess was pretty much on the nose!

Craze

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15170

01/09/2016 12:01 AM

It replaces the attacker's action with the counterer sending a normal Attack command directly at the target.

if you want to play with how this works, go to Scene_Battle

  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------

  # * Invoke Skill/Item

  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------

  def invoke_item(target, item)

    if rand < target.item_cnt(@subject, item)

      invoke_counter_attack(target, item)

    elsif rand < target.item_mrf(@subject, item)

      invoke_magic_reflection(target, item)

    else

      apply_item_effects(apply_substitute(target, item), item)

    end

    @subject.last_target_index = target.index

  end

if you throw apply_item_effects(apply_substitute(target, item), item) right above invoke_counter_attack, you'll make the initial action hit before the counter goes off.

unity

You're magical to me.

12540

01/09/2016 12:12 AM

Thanks for explaining it for me, guys! :DDD

author=Craze
Iif you throw apply_item_effects(apply_substitute(target, item), item) right above invoke_counter_attack, you'll make the initial action hit before the counter goes off.

Wow, super cool! That feels a lot more like how something called a "counter" should work; I'm going to give that a try! ^_^

karins_soulkeeper

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3090

01/09/2016 08:57 AM

I always thought counter worked just like magic reflection... Good to know.

Just gonna leave this here: counter spells, response summoning, counter chaining ;P

Aegix_Drakan

6037

01/14/2016 01:45 AM

author=Craze
It replaces the attacker's action with the counterer sending a normal Attack command directly at the target.

if you want to play with how this works, go to Scene_Battle
  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------

  # * Invoke Skill/Item

  #--------------------------------------------------------------------------

  def invoke_item(target, item)

    if rand < target.item_cnt(@subject, item)

      invoke_counter_attack(target, item)

    elsif rand < target.item_mrf(@subject, item)

      invoke_magic_reflection(target, item)

    else

      apply_item_effects(apply_substitute(target, item), item)

    end

    @subject.last_target_index = target.index

  end
if you throw apply_item_effects(apply_substitute(target, item), item) right above invoke_counter_attack, you'll make the initial action hit before the counter goes off.

...I wish I had known that ages ago.

When I have a minute, I'll look into MV to see if this applies there too.

[RMVX ACE] HOW DOES "COUNTER" WORK?

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