Full Games List
Featured Games
New Games
Reviews
Media
Images
Blogs
Game Updates
Images Feedback Summary
Game Design Highlights
Tutorials
Articles
Scripts
Utilities / Plugins
Resources
Engines
Engine Bulletins
What is Makerscore?
Past Events
Achievements
Misaos
Forums
Post History
Chat
New to RMN?
Full Store List
RMN Music Pack (free)
WHAT'S WITH THE OVER-THE-TOP NEGATIVE FEEDBACK HERE?
Posts
Pages:
1
DimitriusJones
View playlists
CloseI'm fairly new to this community and very new to making games. I just completed my first and only game and posted it on here because I thought "Well it'd be fun if other people could play it besides my friends, I guess".
I do NOT have a full aptitude for game design, and this project was intended to be for my friends and myself. So, perhaps when my first bit of feedback was "No amount of words can express my disappointment", I got just a LITTLE sensitive about it.
I'm all for constructive criticism, and I took the feedback for what it was (even though it was extremely over-the-top and borderline spiteful), but I've seen members here review newbies and give all-negative, all-scathing reviews that I would find completely discouraging as a new game maker.
That's not to say they should be told "Omg it was so great!!! 12/10!!!" but geez throw in some positives why don't cha? Some encouragement? Some of you act like the game personally gave you cancer.
All I'm saying is if you're going to list everything a game-maker did wrong, offer some encouragement as well. I don't know if it's the community's culture to treat newbies this way, but I find it very self-defeating.
Anyway, won't be on this site much longer. You guys take care and never lose your passion for gaming :)
I do NOT have a full aptitude for game design, and this project was intended to be for my friends and myself. So, perhaps when my first bit of feedback was "No amount of words can express my disappointment", I got just a LITTLE sensitive about it.
I'm all for constructive criticism, and I took the feedback for what it was (even though it was extremely over-the-top and borderline spiteful), but I've seen members here review newbies and give all-negative, all-scathing reviews that I would find completely discouraging as a new game maker.
That's not to say they should be told "Omg it was so great!!! 12/10!!!" but geez throw in some positives why don't cha? Some encouragement? Some of you act like the game personally gave you cancer.
All I'm saying is if you're going to list everything a game-maker did wrong, offer some encouragement as well. I don't know if it's the community's culture to treat newbies this way, but I find it very self-defeating.
Anyway, won't be on this site much longer. You guys take care and never lose your passion for gaming :)
I think it is more that people don't treat new people any differently than any other user. The site has grown enough that I am not even sure who are the regulars anymore - we have about 500-600 users post here per month. "Is this person new? Has he been here a long time? Have I been here a long time?"
Anywho, the point is that it might not be simply a case of "old guard picking on the new kids". It could just as likely be "New guy playing a game on RMN and posting his thoughts".
I am not sure as to what specific comment you are talking about, though.
EDIT:
Why do you have two game profiles for the same game?
Anywho, the point is that it might not be simply a case of "old guard picking on the new kids". It could just as likely be "New guy playing a game on RMN and posting his thoughts".
I am not sure as to what specific comment you are talking about, though.
EDIT:
Why do you have two game profiles for the same game?
I do NOT have a full aptitude for game design, and this project was intended to be for my friends and myself. So, perhaps when my first bit of feedback was "No amount of words can express my disappointment", I got just a LITTLE sensitive about it.
That does seem like a poor choice of words considering what you are saying, as "disappointment" implies a failure of something to meet one's expectations, and based on what you have said, their expectations for your game should have been pretty much nothing. (That's not meant as a dis, all I'm getting at is it seems like you could not possibly have over-promised.)
That is why I like to click someone's name, get an idea for the games and reviews they've submitted to the site, or if I'm in a hurry just spot-check someone's maker score (kentona has too much i think he cheated somehow) to get an idea of how experienced they are before I engage with somebody that seems new to me.
I also agree that sometimes people can be a bit harsh and not really consider the fact that people are sensitive about their games and any criticism of someone's game is likely to hit that person really hard right in the feels.
"No amount of words can express my disappointment"
So yeah anyway I was going to type some more stuff but I cannot find this comment anywhere, and I looked on both of your game pages and all of your blog posts and all of your images on both of those game pages. Link?
Anyway, won't be on this site much longer. You guys take care and never lose your passion for gaming :)
I'm not sure why you made this topic if you already made up your mind. Anyway, like many online communities RMN's denizens run the gamut from really really mean to actually nice. You should stick around, because you might learn something, have some fun, and make some friends, and also there are lots of great games here--for free!
author=DimitriusJones
"No amount of words can express my disappointment"
(even though it was extremely over-the-top and borderline spiteful)
I'm also having trouble finding anyone giving that kind of comment on your gamepage. Could you please link it?
People can be harsh, but your job as a game creator is to take the critique as it stands. Anything you put out for people to see will be open to public scrutiny and not all people are fluffy puppies. There's also the case that you might be too touchy about what people say - some people just cannot take critique, no matter how softly it's given (I'm not saying this is you - we have no idea because we can't see the critique you were given, we have nothing to judge by except your word that it was harsh and spiteful, after all).
If they were being an ass, however, report them (there are Report buttons below posts just for that reason) - more than likely they'll go be an ass to someone else if not pulled up.
In the case of feedback that hits personal notes, I find that highlighting only the information about the game itself helps a lot. Take out the personal component and instead take the pertinent information that will help you get better.
Anyway, one critique does not a whole community make. We have assholes on the site. We have sweethearts. We have those who are funny, silly and strange. Weirdos, whack-jobs and wankers. Jumping ship just because one person said something is a bit over the top.
Edit: I just realised that it might be a PM you received, since there's nothing else on your posts/images/gamepage. If that's the case... maybe you could quote it here so we can see it?
Ah, and I meant to say also that if someone says they are disappointed with your game, it means they expected good things and were let down. That's not a bad thing to hear - that they think you can do better and would like to see you do so. Everyone can improve - everyone - so not being told you can do better is actually bad because it means they didn't expect much from you at all.
This is a game development community. As you can imagine, people here are likely to have borderline dangerous attractions to game design, and feel very strongly and personally about the things they do for fun or work.
Not only that, but regular gamers are, on a large scale, a particularly vocal group of people. They can be unrealistically harsh without even realizing it (and so can devs!).
Basically if you can't take the heat then stay out of the fire. You should expect such things when getting into any field of art.
Not only that, but regular gamers are, on a large scale, a particularly vocal group of people. They can be unrealistically harsh without even realizing it (and so can devs!).
Basically if you can't take the heat then stay out of the fire. You should expect such things when getting into any field of art.
I was reading this wondering who would give you such negative feedback. Whoops!
I seemed to have given you this piece of feedback which didn't contain any positive notes of affirmation. I think the project looks neat to decent. I think you're a competent game developer and that's why I was nitpicking about the sky. But in general the game looks cool. It's got an interesting perspective.
I think just wait it out (please) and people will actually play your game and give feedback. It seems like no-one's actually given feedback about the game itself on your gamepage, so maybe a reviewer should get onto that or something... *looks left and right*
But yeah, I apologize on behalf of RMN if we've scarred you forever. Especially recently there have been some harsh instances of people being unhappy with reviews but just take it with a pinch of salt and "ra ta ta" onward. There will very likely be people who will really love your game. You might just have to wait a little.
I seemed to have given you this piece of feedback which didn't contain any positive notes of affirmation. I think the project looks neat to decent. I think you're a competent game developer and that's why I was nitpicking about the sky. But in general the game looks cool. It's got an interesting perspective.
I think just wait it out (please) and people will actually play your game and give feedback. It seems like no-one's actually given feedback about the game itself on your gamepage, so maybe a reviewer should get onto that or something... *looks left and right*
But yeah, I apologize on behalf of RMN if we've scarred you forever. Especially recently there have been some harsh instances of people being unhappy with reviews but just take it with a pinch of salt and "ra ta ta" onward. There will very likely be people who will really love your game. You might just have to wait a little.
Was the comment made on the 6657, phate demo game rather than on the 7130 full version? Because you've anti-climbing painted over the demo gamepage so none of us can find the comment or see it in context, even with the handy cached option (can't use the wayback due to to the anti-collection robot on RMN).
It would be good to be able to see it, but even if not, I'd take Liberty's comments to heart, it's just one person's opinion, not the community as a whole. You will find some wonderful generous and level headed people here, you'll find some mean spirited misanthropes and you'll find everything in between. It's micro to the macro after all.
Don't react to what you consider to be an over the top attack with a similar response, stay to spite them. Revenge is a well lived life, it really annoys some people.
It would be good to be able to see it, but even if not, I'd take Liberty's comments to heart, it's just one person's opinion, not the community as a whole. You will find some wonderful generous and level headed people here, you'll find some mean spirited misanthropes and you'll find everything in between. It's micro to the macro after all.
Don't react to what you consider to be an over the top attack with a similar response, stay to spite them. Revenge is a well lived life, it really annoys some people.
No, I checked before he took his extra gamepage down. There was no review there. I've downloaded Phate because of this thread. I'll play it tomorrow. I was too lazy to look for the XP RTP tonight.
Housekeeping
3571
No one has any obligation to be too critical or too positive. If you're aware that your game is a beginner's piece and it sucks, then you shouldn't be surprised when someone tells you it sucks. By putting your game up on a website, you've set it up to be criticized. That's just the nature of the beast.
author=Housekeeping
No one has any obligation to be too critical or too positive. If you're aware that your game is a beginner's piece and it sucks, then you shouldn't be surprised when someone tells you it sucks. By putting your game up on a website, you've set it up to be criticized. That's just the nature of the beast.
I want to reiterate that I DID take the feedback and criticism for what it was. I'm not saying I expect critics to pass out rainbow-flavored pop tarts with each "you suck!" line towards anybody's game. I simply believe it wouldn't take much to be just a LITTLE more considerate of beginners. And yes, when you put something out there, you are allowing it to be criticized. In the end, I appreciate the honesty, and had I decided to make another game I would certainly use it to my benefit. Hopefully, I didn't ruffle too many feathers. As I said before, never lose your passion for gaming, fellow rmn'ers! :)
author=kentona
It was a PM.
Here's my advice:
not shitting you, this song came on my Pandora at the exact moment I read this post:
E: Srsly, sending jerky PMs to noobs seems like a real dick move, at least to me.
author=DimitriusJones
I simply believe it wouldn't take much to be just a LITTLE more considerate of beginners. :)
In all honest, some people just have a hard time wording criticism/feedback in a very nice manner. Like RMN isn't just an English site but a lot of users here are ESL. It's possible that it could've come off as harsh without them intending to (e.g. a user didn't know that twat was a highly offending slur/word/something in Europe).
Pages:
1
