UGH...JR 19 WILL "REPEAL FIRST AMENDMENT"? SRSLY?

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pianotm
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WARNING: TL;DR. YOU'RE BOUND TO NOT HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT IF YOU RESPOND WITHOUT READING THROUGH.

It only goes to show that government officials will take advantage of American paranoia every chance they get. Senator Ted Cruz recently announced that this year, Congress will be voting on Senate Joint Resolution 19, an amendment to repeal the First Amendment. I know, sounds shocking. So I went ahead and looked up the text of the bill, which you can read here.

Or read it right here.





113th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. J. RES. 19

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States
relating to contributions and expenditures intended to affect
elections.


_______________________________________________________________________


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

June 18, 2013

Mr. Udall of New Mexico (for himself, Mr. Bennet, Mr. Harkin, Mr.
Schumer, Mrs. Shaheen, Mr. Whitehouse, Mr. Tester, Mrs. Boxer, Mr.
Coons, Mr. King, Mr. Murphy, Mr. Wyden, Mr. Franken, Ms. Klobuchar, and
Mr. Udall of Colorado) introduced the following joint resolution; which
was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

_______________________________________________________________________

JOINT RESOLUTION



Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States
relating to contributions and expenditures intended to affect
elections.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House
concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an
amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be
valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when
ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States:

``Article--

``Section 1. To advance the fundamental principle of political
equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and
electoral processes, Congress shall have power to regulate the raising
and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to Federal
elections, including through setting limits on--
``(1) the amount of contributions to candidates for
nomination for election to, or for election to, Federal office;
and
``(2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support
of, or in opposition to such candidates.
``Section 2. To advance the fundamental principle of political
equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and
electoral processes, each State shall have power to regulate the
raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to
State elections, including through setting limits on--
``(1) the amount of contributions to candidates for
nomination for election to, or for election to, State office;
and
``(2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support
of, or in opposition to such candidates.
``Section 3. Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant
Congress the power to abridge the freedom of the press.
``Section 4. Congress and the States shall have power to implement
and enforce this article by appropriate legislation.''.
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First, let's examine what's going on here. A joint resolution is a bill that must be approved by both the House of Representatives and the Senate. It then passes to the President, who may sign it into law or veto it.

Now, this joint resolution grants Congress the power to limit, control, and regulate the amount of money donated and spent on election campaigns. What you probably wouldn't realize unless you're an activist like me, is that this resolution is the very bill that the Occupy movement has been trying to push to bypass the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court ruling. Frankly, the Occupy movement doesn't like the idea that the corporations that save money by trampling on people's rights can buy whoever they want to put into office. They don't like the fact that corporations in the last election dumped 1 billion dollars a piece on each party, 10 times more than any election campaign has ever raised in history.

How would this repeal the First Amendment? Well, it doesn't. In order to do that, "Repeals the First Amendment" must be found in the language of the text, along with the full text of the First Amendment, and the extent to which the First Amendment is being repealed. What does our friend, Ted Cruz do? He points to Section 3: Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress the power to abridge the Freedom of Press.

Now, if you've been paying attention, this should be tickling the back of your mind. How did the Supreme Court come to it's Citizens United ruling? Why, they claimed that a corporation is run by people and that by restricting the amount of money they could spend on election campaigns, those people were being limited to how they could make their voices heard, or abridging the Freedom of Press. You see, Freedom of Speech is just the ability to speak as you will without fear of retribution from the government. Freedom of Press is how loudly you can make your voice heard.

This bill, if made an amendment, would nullify the Citizens United ruling, which would make it unconstitutional (you see, you can't add a constitutional amendment if it is conflicting with other parts of the constitution unless it specifically says that it alters those parts of the constitution. THIS bill makes a point of saying that it does not alter any part of the constitution in the form of a restriction that prevents Congress from actually silencing anyone's ability to use their Freedom of Press).

I am currently in argument with a man who firmly believes that because this bill doesn't mention the other First Amendment rights, that's how it repeals the First Amendment. "It only protects Freedom of Press," he says. Again, look at the resolution. What does it say it limits? Money. Only money. This bill does not silence our voices. It does not limit our religious beliefs. It does not stop us from sending petitions to the White House. It does not stop us from protesting. The only way this bill threatens us is by threatening to limit our resources. Even then, it only limits money that you can give to an electoral candidate (or not depending on how Congress decides in each individual situation). In short, this bill cannot affect you or me, who probably only have 20 bucks to throw at a potential president anyway. It affects the people who have millions of dollars to spend on our system. It affects the people who are in a position to buy our country.

So does this limit their access to the First Amendment? No. Why? Because the ability to suppress "lesser" people's rights is not a First Amendment right. Spending money is not the same as Free Speech or Free Press. Why? Because these things are free! We can start a blog or even a newspaper, and all it will cost us is an online connection or the cost of paper and ink, and that's no guarantee people will read. This bill doesn't even stop these people from using the press, expressing their voices on their own dime. It just stops them from giving obscene amounts of money from government officials, again, if that's what Congress decides in each case.

So why is Section 3 there? Because the Citizens United ruling is there. Section 3 prevents Congress from stopping potential donors from using their money in other ways (I can't donate as much as I like? I'll just put my own ads supporting Future Mr. President on TV).

The facts of this matter? Ted Cruz and his friends don't like the fact that We The People have successfully used this system to petition for a law that prevents him and his buds from getting megabribes from their rich lobby friends. They don't like the fact that when they come up for re-election they can't get unlimited sums of cash in exchange for ignoring the needs of their constituents, such as running unnecessary pipelines carrying highly corrosive forms of oil through our Heartland, or giving food conglomerates the power to hide potentially life threatening facts about what we eat, such as foods that actually create pesticide (or are you actually so naive to believe them when they say that what kills insects doesn't have the potential to kill you? Or better yet, do you actually think that "reasonably safe" is the same thing as "good"?)

Ted Cruz says that he and his father came from Cuba to escape oppression, and now they need a another place to flee to! Wow! Maybe they need to go back to Cuba.

Post Script: There are dozens of laws in effect right now that trample on our Constitutional rights, such as the law that outlaws video taping a police officer on duty, a law that it is blatantly intended to make it easier to hide the crimes of police officers. Other such laws are these Ag-Gag laws which outlaw any outside documentation of factories that raise livestock. Ag-Gag laws were historically put into place expressly for the purpose of preventing people from discovering unsafe, abusive practices that put the consumer at potential risk of disease. (Seriously. These laws started being put forward in direct response to the fact that recalls were being made based on the discovery that these factories were deliberately distributing meat tainted with such things as salmonellasis and Mad Cow disease.) In January, the FAA approved the used of UVA Predator Drones in U. S. cities effective May (now). This isn't conspiracy theory bullshit. This is all stuff that been reported by CNN, NBC, Reuters, the Guardian, and every other reputable source. Of all of the laws that we should be worried about, the last thing we need to do is jump when some whiny bitch like Ted Cruz cries when Congress actually does something to protect our rights.

SunflowerGames
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American politics are really interesting. The amount of money spent on the presidential race must surpass all other countries by far. Coming from Canada it all seems a bit overboard. Our elections for the most part are boring and no one cares about the leader (Prime Minster Steven Harper I think.)

Addit
"Thou art deny the power of Aremen?!"
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Seems like every day that there’s something new about America that makes me shake my head in disgust. I feel so bad for everybody that’s living down there with the way how their very own politicians treat their own very citizens that elected them and continue to sell themselves out to big businesses and mega oil tycoons; it’s a freakin’ joke.

Hey, just to let all you guys know down there, you’re always welcome to come up here and join the winning team.

- We have fresh drinking water! :D
America really is getting worse by the day. I fail to see how anyone could call it a democracy anymore. Well, good luck with that from Sweden, land of the free (more so than USA).
This isn't...they're not about to repeal the first amendment by omission. There's a difference between a bill hitting the floor and actually having a chance of passing, and nothing that repeals anything in the Bill of Rights has a shot in hell of getting through.

At worst, it may have its language updated during discussion to quell w/e legal snaggles you're worried about, should they prove legit...but let's not pretend like it's even seen serious consideration yet.

Ted Cruz could create a bill to outlaw jews and get it this far, if he wanted. It just doesn't make sense to raise a fuss over a thing that decidedly has not happened.
JR19
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States


Ahahahaha, any constitutional amendment is DOA in the current political climate. I wouldn't trust Ted Cruz's reading comprehension for shit either, he somehow missed the entire point of Dr. Seus' Green Eggs and Ham during one of his soapbox filibusters.
lolwat how does "Congress can't abridge the FotP" turn into "omg all ur free speeches are belong to us"? I mean, seriously, if you're going to come up with some bullshit about a bill, you should make sure that your bullshit is a) kinda able to be seen in the text if you stretch it like taffy, and/or b) part of a bill that can't be read or understood in the time it takes to butter up a piece of toast.

If Fox News and the Tea Party et al take this shit seriously... I don't know what I'll do.

Also, I seriously never understood "corporations as people". Like... a collection of people is not "a person". Its just so obviously dumb that... I don't even know... It hurts my brain just trying to think about thinking about it.

author=Addit
Hey, just to let all you guys know down there, you’re always welcome to come up here and join the winning team.

I tells ya it gets more tempting by the day...
Sviel and GRS said it. This'll never gain any traction. It's just cheap hay to get your name in the news. Might as well introduce a bill declaring professional lobbying illegal.

author=Addit
Hey, just to let all you guys know down there, you’re always welcome to come up here and join the winning team.

- We have fresh drinking water! :D


Canada is schizophrenic. We can't decide if we're a glorified British colony or the 51st State.
pianotm
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@Addit, you're offer to join you in Canada is tempting, but I'll stay in Florida where the weather is warm, even when it's cold, the local government still believes in Free Speech, let's me keep my 38. special and wouldn't give a damn if I bought a Vulcan cannon.

My friend tells me that a lie by omission is still alive...but that's not...the way...the law...works. A law by omission...still isn't a law. smdh

@Dyhalto I sure as hell hope you're wrong about this bill not gaining any traction. This country badly needs it. It just isn't right that whoever has the money can legally buy however many politicians he or she likes. I certainly don't have the money to enjoy that freedom and I doubt many, if any of you do, either.
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author=Addit
you’re always welcome to come up here and join the winning team.

Winning Team :)



author=pianotm
@Dyhalto I sure as hell hope you're wrong about this bill not gaining any traction. This country badly needs it. It just isn't right that whoever has the money can legally buy however many politicians he or she likes. I certainly don't have the money to enjoy that freedom and I doubt many, if any of you do, either.
I agree, but electoral reforms never take off by themselves. Something like this actually passing is usually a byproduct of when a populist majority takes control of the political scape, and that won't be happening until a more grassroots issue makes the plebs come out (eg. world war, depression).
pianotm
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author=Dyhalto
author=pianotm
@Dyhalto I sure as hell hope you're wrong about this bill not gaining any traction. This country badly needs it. It just isn't right that whoever has the money can legally buy however many politicians he or she likes. I certainly don't have the money to enjoy that freedom and I doubt many, if any of you do, either.
I agree, but electoral reforms never take off by themselves. Something like this actually passing is usually a byproduct of when a populist majority takes control of the political scape, and that won't be happening until a more grassroots issue makes the plebs come out (eg. world war, depression).


Actually, the fact that is before Congress is part of a grassroots movement. This resolution was proposed and pushed by the Occupy movement and its supporters. It has 41 cosponsors in the Senate. The Senate has drafted this resolution in response to the backlash to the Citizens United ruling. Letter-writing, emailing, phoning: we haven't let these people rest on this issue and if this didn't have a chance of going through, people like Ted Cruz wouldn't be coming out of the woodwork.
Lmao wow, the media behemoth in full force here. I Googled the Bill and several videos of Cruz's rhetoric came up, which sadly is what the average person will probably see. -__-

Part of me does wonder about the ambiguity of the Bill. Hopefully the "regulation" is more of a ceiling than anything. Congress could easily blockade grassroots/3rd party candidates from gaining traction through the supposed manipulation of funding, etc.
pianotm
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Lmao wow, the media behemoth in full force here. I Googled the Bill and several videos of Cruz's rhetoric came up, which sadly is what the average person will probably see. -__-

Part of me does wonder about the ambiguity of the Bill. Hopefully the "regulation" is more of a ceiling than anything. Congress could easily blockade grassroots/3rd party candidates from gaining traction through the supposed manipulation of funding, etc.


Yes...this is one thing that is concerning. Having Congress regulate money for all elections feels a bit like putting the mouse in charge of the cheese.
In regards to money buying elections, we're pretty well screwed there. The only way to do anything about it is to outspend the people who want to keep it.
Yeah, it's a hard situation without a clear solution (surprise!). I think in principle it's obviously a good idea to limit the persuasive ability of large corporations. But it's also hard to say if at this point it'll make a difference, considering they've already tipped the infrastructure in their favor.

As you mentioned, a lot of laws have already come into play that protect law officers (hence the insane police state), banks, insurance agencies, and factory farms like Monsanto. I'm pretty sure that both sides have a hand in the lobbying, so it's not necessarily a partisan issue though.

I guess on the ideal side of the coin, hopefully the Bill allows for less bribery and deceit, and more leeway for Independents who have the actual issues in mind.
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Its okay as long as you have competing corporate interests. If many corporations want to put money into elections and have conflicting ideals then it might allow room for more democracy. However, if you have a monopoly or corporations with similar interests then your doomed.
Even with competing corporate interests, the raw numbers are high enough that non-corporate sources are rendered ineffective. Thus, it resembles an oligarchy moreso than any democracy.

For democracy to work, it assumes that many other things are even as well as representation. In a country like the US with a wide income gap and in this age of information where no one bothers to fact check, it's not a viable political system.

Though, a broken democracy is probably still better than a broken something else, and I hold no illusions about any political system remaining unbroken for long.
author=pianotm
.. if this didn't have a chance of going through, people like Ted Cruz wouldn't be coming out of the woodwork.


Sure he would. Look at his faux filibuster in 2013 about PPACA. The vote he 'filibustered' had already been scheduled, he didn't delay the action on the bill, him and Reid set the terms before hand, and then Cruz voted to move ahead with the bill he was filibustering. Ted Cruz is a political tv diva who does thing for the spotlight.

Sources:
American Blog
Politico
author=pianotm
This resolution was proposed and pushed by the Occupy movement and its supporters.

Forgive my skepticism, but Occupy has not a single acomplishment to date. The entire protest season of last year was wasted by the bungling ineptitude of Occupy organizers who insisted on not having demands. I recall that when some semblance of a unified message was mustered, it was along the lines of "get the money out of politics". Abstract meaningless drivel, but it sure sounds good to the upper-middle class nouveau activist of today.

Besides. This bill is toothless. Giving Congress the power to regulate campaign spending is as pointless as giving them the power to wake up between 6am this morning and 6am tomorrow morning.

If your goal is to get Ordinary Man to rally behind you and enact legitimate change, you need an issue that's going to affect his immediate needs. Ending the wars, stopping the depression, or strengthening social assistance are nice starts. Elizabeth Warren's student loan amnesty bill should have been a catalyst, but Occupy and the rest of the Left ignored it because, you know, controlled opposition.
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